# 7 Find The Others, David Quammen, Breathless: The Scientific Race to Defeat a Deadly Virus

Veteran science journalist David Quammen talks about his new book Breathless—we talk about how scientists had been warning for years of the possibility of a serious pandemic, and the how and why spillover occurs from wild animals into humans. We also debate the lab leak theory, and why scientific consensus is that the pandemic likely originated in nature not a lab —if you want a better big picture understanding of the scientific view of the pandemic this is the episode for you.